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  • Sep. 30th, 2008 at 1:39 PM
bright fish
So, now the Republicans who voted against the bailout measure are saying things like how they wanted more help for homeowners facing foreclosure, and similar concerns.

Fine.

But you guys had better come up with something that you can all vote for quickly.

And it had better include oversight. I think even the banks are ruing deregulation now.

*goes back to watching the rhino on Africam*

Comments

[info]tukaro wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 06:20 pm (UTC)
The bill was a horrible idea. It was telling the financial industry "Oh, we're sorry YOU fucked up, let us fix YOUR problem." Privatize the profits, socialize the losses, eh? I'm pleasantly surprised that it didn't pass. I thought all the Republicans would fall in line; glad to see some have a bit of spine just in time for elections.

What needs to happen is that the $700B (or 2000 Apple Pies/Person) is used instead to help boost the public and let the financial institutions fail and restructure. Put back all of the government specifications that were in place before and give the industry a trifling amount so they can have a slightly bigger shovel to dig themselves out of the situation. Wap them on the nose, bad dog no biscuit.

Thanks to the FDIC, everyone's checking account is fine. The $700B goes to cover as much as possible for what's not (since it's mainly stocks, the poor have little to worry about). Mostly stuff like pensions and retirement funds. In fact, have the government use the $700B to buy up the stocks for one year that are related to most pensions/retirements so the market has a boost, can rebuild, and then the government sells off the shares over the following year.
[info]thisdaydreamer wrote:
Oct. 2nd, 2008 04:59 am (UTC)
I'm pretty poor, but I have a 401K in stocks. I'm also paying off a car loan and have credit cards.

In my town, you have to have a credit rating of 740 to get a car loan right now. Home equity lines of credit are disappearing, and the housing market has crashed. Houses aren't worth what they were not too long ago, which is messing with the retirement plans of many homeowners, and plans on moving. Because of credit worries, sales are down everywhere. Hours are being cut at every retail place I know of, and a couple of restaurants I know and like have closed recently.

In short, this isn't just hitting the rich.

Right now, banks can't afford to lend money, and they are under no supervision from the government. I don't like the idea of having to bail them out, but I don't think we have a choice. At least the government will ensure that the CEOs don't get the bailout money, and the government is going to see that the homeowners in the most trouble will have a chance to get out their hole.
[info]tukaro wrote:
Oct. 2nd, 2008 07:58 am (UTC)
I don't think that giving them the money would make any of that change. They might stop some of their bad practices until elections are over, then go right back to digging their own hole. In fact, it might encourage them to keep up their uncommonly high standards, because it means they can sit on any spare cash to boost their profits while claiming "we're just being sure".

I know this isn't affecting just the rich, but they shouldn't be the ones to receive the money. I have no problem spending $700 Billion, I have a problem giving it to the people who fucked it up in the first place.

I agree on the oversight problem. Before any money is given to, we reinstate all previous regulations (I have no idea when or what was removed), then figure out some way to make the financial industry eat their shoes for a bit while ensuring Joe Sixpack doesn't. And any company we have to bail out excessively becomes a public works and directly responsible to the government.

A lot of the financial troubles aren't just this recent downfall, either; stuff has been building for the past two years or so. Sure, it may have culminated in what we're dealing with now, but it's far from the only source. Gas prices are high, so people drive less. Flight check-in is insane, so same there. The dollar has plummeted versus such things as the Euro and, especially, Canadian dollar. We're not going to get out of this quickly no matter what happens, and I believe that the whole bailout is government panicking and trying to say "Look at what I can do!" while waving their arms and distracting us.

And that whole "I shall have no oversight" thing from SecTres was complete bullcrap. I don't believe that made it into the final bill, though. Also, LOL McCain.
[info]thisdaydreamer wrote:
Oct. 2nd, 2008 08:05 am (UTC)
The oversight will continue as long as the companies have the government's money, so that should last last the election. And the new bill seems to have more measures to make sure that the richest aren't the ones getting the money.

And damn right this has been building for the past few years! What the hell did they think would happen with all of the adjustable rate and interest only mortgages? I want to see them severely limited or banned outright. They knew the housing bubble would burst, and they knew that they were making things worse, and yet the banks kept going down that idiotic path.

And LOL McCain, indeed. Fucker. I will be so pissed if he manages to win this election.
[info]tukaro wrote:
Oct. 2nd, 2008 08:08 am (UTC)
Sadly, he still seems to have 45%-50% by most electoral polls. Not quite enough to get the 270 needed, but enough to take it from Obama.

I don't think Obama is Jesus Mach II, but I do think he's a far better choice than McCain.
[info]thisdaydreamer wrote:
Oct. 2nd, 2008 08:22 am (UTC)
but I do think he's a far better choice than McCain.

And I think that's damning with faint praise.